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NorWinDate: Monday, 04 Feb 2013, 5:42 PM | Message # 1
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Good evening, 
First attempts for me here, I've been trying to write a few sentences that I could say to introduce myself.. Don't laugh! 

I am Nor-Win. 
Odadɛ ɪm Nɔɹ-wɪn.

I do not live in Gallifrey. 
Aɬɪɬkursɛlɛ fo ɪm əɬ Gɑlifrɛjɔm oʔɔp'

I have two sisters and one brother.
Aɬɪɬuðɪɹɛ ɪm fɑ ıliɾijoriəɬ ɛk bɑ ıliɾijəjəɬ.

My eyes are blue. 
Odadi ɪmɪl ṱɔθçɛjozna gitɛjnəɬ.

A few questions that I asked myself while doing this:
-How do you say your age? English uses the verb "to be" but, for instance, in French, we use "avoir" ("to have"). Although I suppose it could also be a fixed phrase (such as "My age is..." or whatever.)
-This may sound like a stupid question, but I suppose, if a verb has two direct objects (like in my 3rd sentence), we put the suffix twice, yes?
-Speaking of which, I am not sure at all about the spelling I used for that last word in the 3rd sentence. Can "j" be added between two 'ə' in this case? 

Actually, I had plenty of other questions but it seems I forgot the rest. It's high time I went to bed, so I'll ask them another time once I have remembered!
 
StrangerComeKnockingDate: Monday, 04 Feb 2013, 7:16 PM | Message # 2
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Odadɛ ɪm Nɔɹ-wɪn.

You've got the idea! A few notes:

ɛ is certainly correct, however, it is a prefix-only. ɛ- is how it is listed. (And because of orthographic rules, you also need a "j" between ɛ and o.

Ɛjodad

Also, Rhiannon has decreed that "to be" is transitive, which means ɪm needs -oz and Nɔɹ-wɪn needs -əɬ. Of course, this could also be colloquial, where some proper grammar goes flying out the door. But to be very proper here, the full sentence would read:

Ɛjodad ɪmoz Nɔɹwɪnəɬ.

That reads "I am NorWin."

If you want to say "My name is NorWin" it would read:

Odadi ɪmɪl zɑʔslɪjozna Nɔɹwɪnəɬ.

Good stuff. ;)

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Aɬɪɬkursɛlɛ fo ɪm əɬ Gɑlifrɛjɔm oʔɔp'

You've got the verbal affixes right, but again, ɛ is a prefix-only. So, you could end up with:

ɛʔaɬɪɬkursɛl
ɛjɪɬkaɬursɛl
ɛkursɛlaɬɪɬ
ɛkursɛlɪɬaɬ

They all mean the same thing; it's just a matter of preference.

Fo is right, but you still need -oz on ɪm.

You got -ɔm right!

I'm not sure how things are done in Spanish or French as far as living "in" or "on". Until such time as Rhiannon says otherwise, we'll say oʔɔp' is correct.

Ɛkursɛlaɬɪɬ fo ɪmoz əɬ Gɑlifrɛiɔm oʔɔp'.

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Aɬɪɬuðɪɹɛ ɪm fɑ ıliɾijoriəɬ ɛk bɑ ıliɾijəjəɬ.

I think you can guess what I am going to say here first-off between the prefix-only and the -oz.

ıliɾijoriəɬ, you forgot "j" between i and ə.

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Speaking of which, I am not sure at all about the spelling I used for that last word in the 3rd sentence. Can "j" be added between two 'ə' in this case? 

ıliɾijəjəɬ, you can use "j" since it's easier to say, but officially it is ʔ. Just an FYI.

Ɛjuðɪraɬɪɬ ɪmoz fɑ ıliɾijorijəɬ ɛk bɑ ıliɾijəʔəɬ.

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This may sound like a stupid question, but I suppose, if a verb has two direct objects (like in my 3rd sentence), we put the suffix twice, yes?

Mɪf.

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Odadi ɪmɪl ṱɔθçɛjozna gitɛjnəɬ.

Woohoo! 100% :D

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How do you say your age? English uses the verb "to be" but, for instance, in French, we use "avoir" ("to have"). Although I suppose it could also be a fixed phrase (such as "My age is..." or whatever.)

Personally, I'd like to use something like

"I have x years" Ɛjuðɪraɬɪɬ ʒu hofzari.
or
"My years are x" Odadi hofzarina ɪmɪl ʒuwəɬ.

When Rhiannon pops by, she'll be able to answer more definitely.

A few closing thoughts:
-Everything here is pretty formal, very proper. As I said with your first sentence, hey, maybe you are hanging out with friends and grammar slides.
-Be sure to double-check if an affix is prefix (before-), suffix (-after) or affix (-either-).
-Pronoun affixes (like ɛ-) don't require the use of its pronoun. (But it's a good idea when you get into i- for s/he/it.) Similarly, if you do use the full pronoun, using its affix is a bit redundant (unless you need said pronoun to show possession). So in your third sentence, you could drop either ɛ- or ɪm. But in your fourth sentence, you need ɪm to show possession.

A bit of an information download, I know. If you have any questions about this or if you remember any of your other questions, don't hesitate to ask!



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LicoricePleaseDate: Monday, 04 Feb 2013, 9:08 PM | Message # 3
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We haven't gone over aging at all, but two new ideas: "I've aged ____ years" or "I know ____ years". It's possible that Gallifreyan would have multiple ways to say how old one is. Both to be and to have make sense to me, though I think if Gallifreyan allowed be constructions, they would be more formal (always including the "years old"), and possibly have constructions ("have ___ years in my past").

 
NorWinDate: Tuesday, 05 Feb 2013, 1:34 PM | Message # 4
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Thank you for the comments! Sounds clear enough to me, just need to assimilate it all, but it'll come with time and practice and all that. :)

So, with regard to the subjects and pronouns, I can say Odadi uθ p'anəṱʃɔkoz ðorkaʔəɬ but if I just want to say "He is big," I need to use the personal pronoun -> Odadi ɛvoz ðoɹkaʔəɬ. Yes? It probably sounds a little daft but new language means re-asking oneself some basic questions about very basic rules. 

I must have misread on the suffix/prefix, but I'll be twice as careful now! 

I suppose I will stick with a rather formal -- or at least correct -- language for the moment, and once that's easier I'll get into the more colloquial forms.
 
StrangerComeKnockingDate: Tuesday, 05 Feb 2013, 4:49 PM | Message # 5
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Odadi uθ p'anəṱʃɔkoz ðorkaʔəɬ.

Correct.

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Odadi ɛvoz ðoɹkaʔəɬ.

Yes, because -i could mean just about anything. ;)

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I must have misread on the suffix/prefix, but I'll be twice as careful now! 

Haha, it's all good.

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I suppose I will stick with a rather formal -- or at least correct -- language for the moment, and once that's easier I'll get into the more colloquial forms.





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It's possible that Gallifreyan would have multiple ways to say how old one is.

Aye, between normal Gallifreyans (maybe even loomlings), Time Lords and their bodily age vs. physical age and so on.



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LicoricePleaseDate: Tuesday, 05 Feb 2013, 11:24 PM | Message # 6
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Odadi ɛvoz ðoɹkaʔəɬ
Usually, using a personal affix for a verb means dropping the subject (and subject suffix).


 
NorWinDate: Wednesday, 06 Feb 2013, 2:33 AM | Message # 7
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Ah, I knew I had forgotten something! >.<
 
StrangerComeKnockingDate: Wednesday, 06 Feb 2013, 9:36 AM | Message # 8
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Usually, using a personal affix for a verb means dropping the subject (and subject suffix).

But when -i has six different meanings, it's a good idea.

#confusethepoorchild

>:)



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NorWinDate: Wednesday, 06 Feb 2013, 10:16 AM | Message # 9
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So basically, I'd drop it for the 1st person and 2nd person but keep it for the 3rd persons (where its absence could eventually be confusing)?
 
StrangerComeKnockingDate: Wednesday, 06 Feb 2013, 10:28 AM | Message # 10
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So basically, I'd drop it for the 1st person and 2nd person but keep it for the 3rd persons (where its absence could eventually be confusing)?

Yes!



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NorWinDate: Wednesday, 06 Feb 2013, 2:24 PM | Message # 11
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Okay! Going slowly, but it'll come. Making a few more attempts before I go to bed: 

I burnt
Ɛjamɪmk'θuɹ (dropping the subject pronoun because ɛ- is explicit enough)

It burnt
Amɪmaθuri ɪʃoz (adding the subject pronoun because -i is ambiguous)

They (neutral) burnt
Amɪmaθuri uʃoz

The trees burnt
Amɪmaθuri uθ ʃʔmoθçɛjoz (the subject is made obvious by the suffix here, so does the verb still need the -i?)
 
StrangerComeKnockingDate: Wednesday, 06 Feb 2013, 2:33 PM | Message # 12
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Ɛjamɪmk'θuɹ

Ow. x.o

But yes. ;)

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Amɪmaθuri

Yes.

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Amɪmaθuri uʃoz

Yes.

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Amɪmaθuri uθ ʃʔmoθçɛjoz

Yes.

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the subject is made obvious by the suffix here, so does the verb still need the -i?

Not necessarily.

Sounds like you've got the hang of it. B)



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NorWinDate: Wednesday, 06 Feb 2013, 4:06 PM | Message # 13
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Woohoo! :D I'll keep making random simple sentences and conjugate verbs in my head as I drift off to sleep. 
(And my dreams will be happy!) (Ɛk odazɪ ɪmɪl pɛkpɛkçɛjozna lızʒijəɬ (?).. Someone please help me shut that computer down!)
 
StrangerComeKnockingDate: Wednesday, 06 Feb 2013, 4:56 PM | Message # 14
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Ɛk odazɪ ɪmɪl pɛkpɛkçɛjozna lızʒijəɬ

So. Close.

Ɛk odazɪi ɪmɪl pɛkpɛkçɛjozna lızʒijəɬ.

Simply the wrong ɪ/i.

I know, it can be a tad confusing. But otherwise, perfect. ;)



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NorWinDate: Thursday, 07 Feb 2013, 1:36 AM | Message # 15
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I think that was a typo, I sometimes forget that I have to press the "y" key to get an "i" and that the regular "i" key will give me an  "ɪ." Still, this last sentence felt easier to write so I suppose I'm getting there!
 
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